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sir_quirky_k ([info]sir_quirky_k) wrote,
@ 2007-10-06 00:35:00

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Entry tags:Chris, Shylo, The Search, independence, music, singing

The Search* has begun.
* Not involving Jamie Theakston, and hopefully not involving multiple schedule changes

Thought I'd blogged about this, but evidently not; I'm now on the hunt for a new singing teacher.

Should be a vaguely easy task, you'd think; there's plenty of singers in both popular and classical styles in any university city of a quarter of a million people, an obviously fairly substantial market for vocal tuition, and while there's going to be a non-trivial popular/classical divide I am ambivalent towards which side my teacher falls (though see also posts passim regarding the pigeonholing tendencies of classical training, and by means of redressing the balance the possible lesser emphasis on sound technique in popular styles implying a greater risk of a bad teacher in that domain). The benefits of being a stylistically ambiguous singer-songwriter, there.

That, however, merely means there are multiple choices. And while it took a while for them to form, they sure have formed now. As of this moment, there are three options.

Firstly, Chris Allinson. Like Gemma, he's a Southampton music graduate; unlike Gemma, he's still in the area. (Also unlike Gemma, he's acquired a Masters, for what it's worth.) Interestingly, very very interestingly, he actually teaches first-year music students, which is rather a vote of confidence in him.

However. He block-books lessons, with a discount for 'buying in bulk'; while his record does rather suggest he is a good teacher, that doesn't mean he'll necessarily suit me, and I am very wary of committing to a block of lessons with a teacher I don't know. More pertinently, [info]miss_bluesky (Oh. I'll just call her Emma from now on) firmly believes I should try out different teachers first: 'make sure you always go for a taster session, don't let them push you too high or low at first, and if anything hurts, tell them. If they don't address it, they're rubbish. Simple as that.' This may not be possible with Chris.

Incidentally, he's a classical singer and teaches entirely in that style; this is a mixed bag as I've said before, and I suspect it makes him a safer bet than a popular-music teacher. It also exponentially increases the probability of being exposed to precisely the same set of constraints I faced with Gemma. ([info]daweaver, remember that diagram? Oh, related irony, one of my former school friends is meeting other students from the conservatoire linked to Central England Polytechnic Birmingham City So-Called University at... All Bar One at Brindleyplace. You could not make it up.)

The second is Rosalind Mizen; doesn't have her own web page, but appears to be a journeyman (journeywoman?) professional singer who works in admin for the university (where she graduated with a Masters in performance just as Chris did) for a steady income (Scroogle turns up a spate of hits for her, one of them mentioning her in an administrative context, most of them mentioning her as a singer). She too is in the classical domain, and if you'd guessed on the balance of probabilities that she was a soprano, you'd have been right. She is apparently busy for the immediate future but can start teaching me probably at the end of the month. No idea of cost yet.

And then there's the strangest twist of the lot. A collection of teachers of all types in the Southampton area emailed me in response to my email on the university's classified adverts on their website (which, incidentally, is how Rosalind contacted me, and where Chris advertised his services). The email mentioned a 10% NUS discount. Now, bear in mind that this email was sent in the complete knowledge I am a student at Southampton University - and then also bear in mind that they are not NUS members, and are fairly well known as such. (Southampton Poly are, but the email was sent knowing I do not study there.) When you add to that the small matter of one of their teachers being a recent Southampton University graduate... it begins to look very odd.

Anyway. The undiscounted price is £24 per hour, with a taster session available for £20. So that's one reassurance, but at a price. I do remember saying somewhere... let me find it... bah, can't find it. Somewhere I said I doubted I could find a teacher I'd pay more than the £18 per hour I paid Gemma. This was before I realised: a) I am probably eligible for more financial assistance than I am claiming; b) there is a non-zero probability of having a career involving the use of my voice, albeit in commentary as opposed to singing.

Usefully, very usefully, not one, not two but three of the singing teachers are also songwriters. (Lyndsay appears to not do individual singing lessons, preferring to focus on musical theatre groups. Oh, and choirs; in fact, she is the musical director of the choir I am joining...) Implication; they will have perhaps a greater awareness of why my intentions and priorities are as they are, as opposed to being the best [insert classical-singing pigeonhole here] I can be, as seems to too often be the priority in classical singing.

For what it's worth, cost appears to not be correlated with quality in Emma's opinion - 'there are some perfectly good teachers charging a tenner an hour, and some much less good ones charging upwards of £60', according to her.

The frustrating thing is the differing time pressures placed by Chris's 25% discount ending next weekend and Rosalind not being able to confirm anything until some time after that. I do hope I can find someone - and it will probably be a music student, just as Gemma was - who can step into the void and at least be open to a trial lesson. Should this go badly or not happen at all, and perhaps even regardless of this, I suspect I will also end up paying the One Geordie for a trial lesson with one of the above group. Laura would be my choice at present; 'hardly conventional, Laura believes in nurturing the aspirations of the student, building confidence, belief and adventure' sounds perfect. Interestingly, the website lists her as a voice teacher, her sub-page does not, and while a separate composition tutor (a role she does fulfil) would be of benefit, the marginal utility of such a lesson is certainly not more than One Geordie. If Laura is not there for vocal tuition, Lucy would then be the next choice.



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General points
[info]daweaver
2007-10-07 09:56 am UTC (link)
This may not be possible with Chris.

Push him on it. It's in your interest to have a teacher who will push you in the right direction, but not too far too quickly. It's in Chris's interest to have a pupil who he can work with. There's nothing more dispiriting than someone who is coming along to the classes only to go through the motions. (Shoots glares to a couple of chancers from dance class.)

It also exponentially increases the probability of being exposed to precisely the same set of constraints I faced with Gemma.

One of the things to thrash out with your tutor, whoever that turns out to be, will be your priorities. IIRC, you're looking for someone to bridge the gap in your range between throat and chest. Tell them that.

the conservatoire linked to Central England Polytechnic Birmingham City So-Called University at... All Bar One at Brindleyplace. You could not make it up.

Remarkable. And I think I know why they've changed the name of the UCE, less...

The email mentioned a 10% NUS discount. Now, bear in mind that this email was sent in the complete knowledge I am a student at Southampton University - and then also bear in mind that they are not NUS members, and are fairly well known as such.

For those not deeply immersed in university culture, NUS == university student. Again, you may wish to clarify that it's a student discount; I would be amazed if it were not.

Good luck, I think you'll need it.

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Re: General points
[info]sir_quirky_k
2007-10-07 03:58 pm UTC (link)
One of the things to thrash out with your tutor, whoever that turns out to be, will be your priorities

Precisely the appeal in going with a singer-songwriter. My priorities are primarily - not exclusively, but primarily - from that perspective, and differ from those of the typical singer who performs the music of others...

IIRC, you're looking for someone to bridge the gap in your range between throat and chest.

...like that, which I gather isn't something that even crosses the radar of male classical singers, who IIRC are strongly dissuaded from singing above their break. (Compare and contrast; Pavarotti, Mika.) Very simply put, linking the two voices such that I can use every note in each is effectively a 'free' increase in my range from just under two octaves (F2-D4) to just over two (F2-Bb4), and that is a non-trivial improvement far greater than could be attained in less than a few years from working exclusively in one register, as Gemma did. It opens up the possibility of singing many more songs that I have written, at least one of which you have heard at Brindleyplace.

(By contrast, I gather the classical approach to female vocals is to stretch the sound of the higher notes downwards, and the popular - and I think musical theatre - approach is the inverse, stretching the sound of the lower notes upwards. That would be down to the former being the traditional definition of 'pretty' and the latter offering more power for cutting through loud backing into a large crowd, I gather.)

It's in your interest to have a teacher who will push you in the right direction, but not too far too quickly. It's in Chris's interest to have a pupil who he can work with.

Precisely. If he's a good teacher that suits me, that I would take on after a good trial lesson, but no such trial is forthcoming... Chris has lost/squandered (insert your choice of big-money game show host here) several hundred pounds. Non-trivial for a recent Masters graduate in an arts subject...

you may wish to clarify that it's a student discount; I would be amazed if it were not.

In practice, very few places do not accept a Southampton University student ID card for discount validity. This lot are based in this city rather than being a national chain, mind...

Plan: trial lessons if possible with Chris and one from Laura/Lucy. If neither works, Rosalind is the back-up, unless another - likely a music student like Gemma - is found.

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And we have an update!
[info]sir_quirky_k
2007-10-08 10:45 am UTC (link)
Neither Laura nor Lucy are available (Lucy would have been if I were able to accommodate home visits, but I am not), and so... there will be a trial with Shylo!

I honestly cannot predict which way this is going to go. I tentatively predict the marginal utility of Shylo's lessons to be greater than those of Chris, but by a slim enough margin that Chris will represent better value. If I can get Chris at the discounted rates, for if I cannot then the costs will be almost indistinguishable. I have emailed Chris about the prospect of a trial lesson, and await his reply with great interest.

Rosalind is not out of this equation by any means either. It is conceivable that neither Chris nor Shylo will suit me, and that would catapult Rosalind to first preference status.

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Clearly, my mind is addled
[info]daweaver
2007-10-08 05:55 pm UTC (link)
Shylo? Laura? Rosalind? This sounds like a meeting of Shakespeare Characters Anonymous!

Good luck!

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We have another update!
[info]sir_quirky_k
2007-10-08 09:32 pm UTC (link)
Just came back from our choir's first rehearsal. Moderately successful, and Lyndsey is a good director, excellent to talk to in the inevitable post-rehearsal pub meeting, and the choir are always looking for different material to be suggested/provided for them, and as such I intend to write a choral piece at some point this year for performance that could gain performance. This terribly excites me.

Not as much as this though. Two choirs met at the same time tonight, the other being the chamber choir. Who directs that? It's only bloody Chris Allinson! He overheard me speaking, asked if I was the same David who'd emailed him, I confirmed as much, and later in the pub he confirmed that a taster session would be possible, potentially for Wednesday night.

He's probably the favourite now, I got to speak in at least general terms about what I was seeking, and made reference to my composition background. He seemed at least mildly understanding and the taster lesson will reveal all.

Assuming both taster lessons go according to the current plan, the decision will be made at the weekend. Chris is the favourite right now, but still has to prove he will not constrain me by the boundaries of an artificial pigeonhole.

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It's probably better to keep all these updates in one place...
[info]sir_quirky_k
2007-10-09 09:57 am UTC (link)
Chris has emailed me back, is only able to manage next week for a trial, and that of course means no 25% discount for me.

Potentially, the cheapest block-book package will be just £1.60 per hour cheaper than Shylo, depending upon whether that discount applies to Southampton Uni and not just Southampton Poly students. Conversely, Chris seems more willing to go with what I'm actually looking for than I feared, at least from initial impressions. All of these means that in fact, the two options are noticeably converging, and that is interesting.

That convergence, of course, may yet let Rosalind in if it turns out I don't get on with either, but I actually doubt that.

As of right now, Chris has the very slight initiative. I'm increasingly thinking that whatever happens, it will work out well. Not going to guess what will happen, but I don't expect to regret it.

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