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sir_quirky_k ([info]sir_quirky_k) wrote,
@ 2008-01-13 12:45:00

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Entry tags:composition, geek, music, musical theatre, singing, songwriting

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A most interesting post, and one that certainly points out the fallacy of 'high culture' and 'pop culture'.

As someone whose primary artistic involvement (and certainly field of knowledge) is in music, and specifically singing, that's the angle I'm going to reply to this from.

Divisions into low, high, intermediate are just as artificial as dividing the human voice into soprano, bass, tenor, sort-of-alto-but-with-bits-of-mezzo.

See posts passim on my experiences of such pigeonholing. I asserted a while back (though not, if memory serves, on this blog) that the natural median of a population's vocal range (covering each gender) is roughly bell-curve shaped (fairly obviously, males and females have their own bell curves, roughly an octave apart). This is by definition one-dimensional, and there will be variations in the scale of the deviations from such a point (read: some people have bigger ranges than others). The general point, however, is that most choirs divide each gender into two, and a bell-curve implies that is extremely inefficient - there'll be plenty of singers falling between two stools and not quite suited to either, and I'm one of them.

Even within a given voice type - or fach, as I believe is the term in classical singing - there are more than a few variations. So many, in fact, that there are sub-sections of fachs (sometimes sub-sections of these, too), best conceptualised to this audience as sub-directories within a paper or electronic filing system: C:\Soprano\Lyric\Coloratura anyone? (And that'd be a perfectly valid description, and I know several people who fit into it.) Even within such seemingly vanishingly small pigeonholes there seems to be variation, but perhaps not surprisingly there's also uncertainty over which hole a singer should be placed into.

So when it comes to writing for others, I don't bother. Take NI, whom I spoke to last night. I know that she can comfortably sing Ab3-A5, and from last night's conversation I also know she's happy to belt (in the musical theatre sense) as far as A4. Some would take this information along with a few other elements (particularly timbre), put NI in a pigeonhole, and in effect that information is lost, for NI will be placed in a pigeonhole with fellow singers possessing voices subtly but substantially different from her own. (Many won't have her musical theatre background, for a start.) Furthermore, if trained with an emphasis on classical performance, as NI is, there won't be an incentive to grow outside the demands on this pigeonhole. That is the problem I feared, and as a composer herself NI is likely to appreciate this. Instead, my approach is right, I can write melodies up to A5 and down to Ab3, and in the lower of these two octaves I have a choice of two distinct timbres. That's it. No loss of information.

From my perspective, the fundamental division seems to be, if they have a great deal of vibrato, they're a classical singer, or at least will be seen and treated as one while performing popular music; the reverse applies. To which I reply only with the early music singer Dame Emma Kirkby, whose performance at the university concert hall is the one cultural event I really wish I'd been to last year but didn't. (Swap that with the Medics' Revue...)

Musical theatre rather blurs a lot of these lines anyway. Leaving aside the question 'where does musical theatre fit in this continuum of culture?', there's a separate but ultimately not-unrelated quirk regarding musical theatre singing itself. Invariably, a given character will have various demands and some - but not all - of these will cover areas classical training eskews, the aforementioned belting being the primary example (and one that in itself makes some classical teachers wary of musical theatre, as it's a threat to their perceptions of what is 'healthy' singing, and is dangerous done badly - I shall have to speak to NI more about this). And yet, in spite of this, there's enough that is more in common with classical singing than anything else. (The role of G(a)linda is a particularly good example, and to a lesser extent Elphaba too.)

As has been pointed out before in comment boxes, there is practically a divide in pieces for female voices, with most of the soprano repertoire being classical works (and a corresponding shortage of classical works for lower female voices, unless one counts those written for boys?). That, in turn, probably explains the existence of the crossover market; it has effectively created a place for voices that do not fit into the pop mould, which seems to be similar to the musical theatre mould (leaning towards tenor and alto voices) but rather more strongly so, to have a pop career.

The Three Tenors arguably worked at bringing high culture to the masses. (They were certainly the most successful part of Italia 90...) The myriad crossover singers (and it is interesting that the original post mentions specifically Katherine Jenkins, a mere mezzo-soprano, the only female NotSoprano I can name with a crossover career, and frequently quoted in the press as though she were a soprano) are doing nothing of the sort. They're doing faux-operatic covers of pop songs for an audience probably closely matched to the Hell's readership.

In short, vocal music alone is so immensely pluralistic in its nature that a high culture/pop culture continuum is largely useless. However, by the mere assertion that it exists, it becomes perhaps closer to existing, especially when so many of the attempts to reconcile the two are such abject failures.



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[info]gizensha
2008-01-13 06:30 pm UTC (link)
I think the pop/high culture divide being mostly fictional is most noticeable from Shakespeare. Nowadays he's hailed as a great genius... Back in his day he wrote what was considered to be, culturally speaking, the medieval equivalent of EastEnders.

Thinking about it, the Shakespeare comment can probably be applied to Dickens as well. Considered to be one of the great writers of English literature now, most of his works were, iirc, originally published as serials in the Victorian equivalent of popular magazines.

Now, I'm not saying that what is deemed as being pop-culture when it's made is, long-term, better than what is deemed as high culture, simply that the difference between the two is largely fictional, high culture is simply what elitists enjoy and no-one else does when it is made, while pop-culture is what the masses enjoy when it is made, which sometimes includes the elitists and other times does not.

...And then there's the works of those such as Van Gough. Ignored in their time by both the masses and the elite, becoming historically decreed as masterpieces (...The interesting thing is that Van Gough may have invented modern art decades before it was invented [ignore the causality implications of that sentence], one of his later pieces shreds the rule book on what art should be, such as all notion of perspective. It's quite nice to view, though I still personally prefer Silent Night out of the pieces of his that I've seen)

As for musical theatre, it's interesting. Stereotyped as light, fluffy, fun for all the family (...Amusing, considering the stereotype of those involved and who enjoy it, and the stereotype of that group), yet while it can indeed be that, it can also be so much darker. Assuming we're not limiting the genre to stage musicals, there has been at least one murder mystery drama musical. And the main thing to remember about musicals is that they aren't operas. At least, the main thing to remember about musicals if you don't want to annoy fans of both. (There are two ways of parsing that sentence. It definitely applies to one, I wouldn't be surprised if it applies to the other) Although what that difference is, I wouldn't have a clue.

Someone I know from a forum suggested that culture isn't about pop vs high, it's instead about lasting vs transient. Although even then I personally think you've got an overlap - Shakespeare may seem lasting now, but I believe there were a couple of hundred years when he was an obscure unknown. So he was temporary between his death and his rediscovery and then suddenly became lasting? Doesn't make sense, ergo culture is culture in whatever form it takes, and all attempts to divide it into groups is pure folly. (Apart from good vs bad, but that's a matter of personal taste)

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[info]daweaver
2008-01-14 07:17 pm UTC (link)
The Shakespeare comment can probably be applied to Dickens as well. Considered to be one of the great writers of English literature now, most of his works were, iirc, originally published as serials in the Victorian equivalent of popular magazines.

True, but he was instantly popular. The Georgian equivalent of E-bay, the classified advertisements in The Times were offering the complete set of magazines at four or five times the cover price as soon as the series had finished. To buy all thirty-two editions making up The Pickwick Papers was just four shillings; bound copies of these volumes went for a guinea.

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It's not "the world's most beautiful music" any more, is it?
[info]daweaver
2008-01-14 07:09 pm UTC (link)
Leaving aside the question 'where does musical theatre fit in this continuum of culture?'

Derided by the élitists as too simple, accessible to the masses, but drawing from the high-culture norms of paying attention to the words while acting. Genre progenators Gilbert and Sullivan had aspirations to be high culture, successors like Lloyd Webber ditto. Near the middle of the cultural spectrum, perhaps a little nearer to the low end than the high.

The Three Tenors arguably worked at bringing high culture to the masses.

The 1990 album, yes, and it spawned Pavarotti in the Park. (Big concert held during a monsoon in summer 1991. Might get a mention at the start of August.) 1994, probably not: almost half the concert was such familiar opera as Moon river and My way, and WEA had to twist a few arms to get it on the classical chart. The Classical Records Adjudication Panel was an august body tasked with determining if there was enough content to deem the record classical. They said yes, it was more than 50% classical, that's been the yardstick for the CIN Classical Charts ever since. The Panel changed its name in 1996 to something less sniggersome.

Katherine Jenkins ... doing faux-operatic covers of pop songs for an audience probably closely matched to the Hell's readership.

Back in 1994, the ownership of Classic FM was Warner Entertainments 29.9%, GWR 17%, Daily Mail and General Trust 5%. DMGT was the largest shareholder in GWR, and still owns 29.9% of the merged GWR-Capital group. It's no surprise that DMGT's national radio station should be so closely aligned to its newsprint business. Nor that it's always been the lead station for the CIN Classical Chart. Nor that Smiths has always been the sponsoring retailer. Apart from 2003-4, when it was HMV for reasons that we never understood.

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Re: It's not "the world's most beautiful music" any more, is it?
[info]sir_quirky_k
2008-01-14 08:31 pm UTC (link)
Genre progenators Gilbert and Sullivan had aspirations to be high culture, successors like Lloyd Webber ditto.

Probably not irrelevantly; Soton has a Light Opera Society (G&S, mostly - doing The Beggar's Opera this year), entirely separate from Showstoppers (musical theatre, variously from the last 75 years as far as I can tell - doing Fame as their main show this year, last year it was The Witches of Eastwick, and it would be they who did Lloyd Webber though I don't recall the last time they did), and there's members of each not in the other - critically, music students specialising in classical singing are more likely to be in LOpSoc (as it is known) than Showstoppers, even though Showstoppers is much the bigger society. (I think, anyway; don't think Chris was ever in Showstoppers, Kate (who was briefly touted as a potential replacement for Shylo certainly isn't but is in LOpSoc and has a lead in Beggar's Opera, ditto another music student to be known now as EF, ditto a few more I think).

The reason for this in at least some cases is almost certainly nothing to do with cultural expectations and everything to do with differences in vocal demands, with the modern musical theatre style rather more removed from most classical singing, and now we're back into prior discussion. Note also: both Kate and EF are soprani.

Did not realise that the Hell had a large stake in Classic FM. Nor that such a brilliant acronym was allowed to exist.

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Re: It's not "the world's most beautiful music" any more, is it?
[info]daweaver
2008-01-15 06:01 pm UTC (link)
Did not realise that the Hell had a large stake in Classic FM. Nor that such a brilliant acronym was allowed to exist.

Surprising but true. Doing a bit of research (and revoking my Wikiedit credentials for another month), GWR slowly bought out the co-owners of Classic FM during the mid-90s, and took full control of the station in 1998. Oddly enough, it was exactly then that they dropped the The world's most beautiful music tagline in favour of Relax. Not that they ever play Frankie Goes to Hollywood...

The Classical Records Adjudication Panel came to public attention in late 1995, when it deemed the solo album by Anthony Way (genuine chorister, star of 1995 BBC drama The Choir) to be insufficiently classical. Decca took CIN to court, lost the case, but the publicity ensured that CIN began a Classical Crossover chart to a fanfare of publicity in 1997... and quietly dropped it two years later. During 1996, the panel excised the Records from its name, thus creating a far less interesting acronym.

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